101. Emotional Calluses
When I used to go country dancing for several hours a night several nights in a week, it hurt my feet at first.
I had to be careful not to overdo it.
(I was not actually that careful. My feet would hurt and I would try to push it as far as I could without creating problems for myself.)
But over time, my feet got used to it.
My body created calluses to protect itself in key places.
(Yes, I know calluses aren’t always useful. And they have drawbacks. But these calluses allowed me to do more of something I really wanted to do.)
And the same thing can happen emotionally.
We can create an increased capacity to handle something that we’re initially tender toward.
For example, when we’re performing a new role at work and we ask for feedback, any perceived-negative response we get can feel really painful.
The feedback may hit us in a tender spot.
And then we may add insult to injury by telling ourselves we’re being “too sensitive” or “a baby”.
However, if we take the feedback bit by bit and don’t overdo it, we can adjust to it.
We can build an emotional callus that allows us to handle the situation without feeling so much pain.
Of course, having a callus (emotional or physical) doesn’t mean you don’t feel anything.
We’re not aiming for numbing, checking out, or unhooking from your emotional experience.
Instead we’re aiming for setting ourselves up well to handle situations we want to be in.
In my case, I wanted to be dancing for hours and hours. But I had to set my body up (or rather, it had to set itself up) to be successful in that environment.
This meant building calluses, yes. And also, getting appropriate equipment, building more muscle, and lots of other little and big things.
Emotional calluses are the same. They’re not the only tool. But they’re one thing you can implement to help you handle situations you want to be in and maybe even enjoy.
(Please note: I am not encouraging you to build emotional calluses to stay in situations you don’t want to be in.)
Tune in this week to discover everything you need to know about emotional calluses and how to create them.
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WHAT YOU’LL LEARN FROM THIS EPISODE:
What an emotional callus is and why they occur.
What you can learn from your emotional blisters as they evolve into calluses.
My own story of first getting an emotional blister and the work of developing it into an emotional callus.
Why things can be imperfect, but you can still be over the moon about them.
How to get used to the thing that’s causing you discomfort in this moment (if you want to), so you can use it to help you grow in the future.
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FULL EPISODE TRANSCRIPT:
This week we’re talking about emotional calluses.
You are listening to Love Your Job Before You Leave It, the podcast for ambitious, high-achieving women who are ready to stop feeling stressed about work and kiss burnout goodbye forever. Whether you’re starting a business or staying in your day job, this show will give you the coaching and guidance you need to start loving your work today. Here’s your host, Career Coach, Kori Linn.
Hey y’all, happy Wednesday. I hope you’re having a glorious day today. The weather here in Sacramento has finally cooled down and I am just so incredibly, deeply grateful. Last night we took a walk, we like to take a walk kind of towards the end of the day with the dog. And in the summer we have to basically take it sort of as late as possible, before bed usually, for it to be cool enough to actually be enjoyable.
And even then sometimes it’s too hot to walk. Like we had that heatwave recently where it was still in the 90s and we were just like, yeah, we’re not going to do that. And so now the weather has cooled down and it’s just glorious. And it’s especially glorious just because of the shift, right? Which is, I think, so common.
If it always felt this way it would always feel this way and I would just be like, this is the weather. But because if was so hot this summer I was like so fucking jazzed for it to cool down. I was like, yes, and I’m just like really relishing it. And it’s still sunny and it’s beautiful, but it’s just like I put a sweater on today and I was like, “Yeah, sweaters, I’m pretty excited about that.” So, that’s what’s happening over here.
Also, as you all know, many of you all know, I lived in Seattle for a long time and in Seattle when it starts to cool down it also usually starts to rain. And so it is really fun and satisfying to live somewhere where it can cool down and still be sunny, I’m pretty into that. Rain is great too. Rain is obviously very important, but it’s nice just to have like a sunny fall.
Okay, so speaking of taking walks, I got some new shoes recently. I love to take long walks around the neighborhood, as you all know. And I got a new pair of sandals to wear when it was super-hot because the other pair that I have that are good for walking I’ve had for a few years. And since it does get so hot here is Sacramento I’ve put a lot of wear on them basically, right?
And so I got the new pair, it’s the same brand as the other pair, so I was like, cool, these are going to fit, they’re going to be great and it’s not going to be a problem. Well, I took a little short walk in them, and it was fine, it was great. And then I took a longer walk in them and guess what, it was not fine. It was not great.
And what happened was I could feel that a certain spot on my foot was getting a little irritated while I was on my walk, but I was like, “Well, I don’t know what I can do about that while I’m on the walk.” And it didn’t hurt that much, I was just sort of like, “Okay, this is annoying.” And I was on my way back already and so I got home, and I took the sandals off and my foot was bleeding, my poor little baby foot.
I was like, “Oh no.” it was bleeding, it had a blister, the blister had popped, it was kind of gross honestly, sorry, TMI. And then I took off the other sandal and that foot hadn’t really felt that bad on the walk, but it also had a blister. And I was like, “This is very rude, this is not what I wanted, I did not sign up for this. No thank you.”
But at that point I had them, right? So I had to deal with them basically. I had to clean them, I had to bandage them. And they’re like on the top of each of my big toes and so basically I had to like put band aids on them and then the band aids just do not want to stay on that part of my foot for some reason, they just like flew off.
And so I had to figure out still how to take my long walks in shoes that weren’t going to hurt them, it was like a whole ordeal. And honestly, I had a lot of feelings about it. I was kind of pissed, I was like, “These are supposed to be super comfortable shoes, the other pair was comfortable, I didn’t get blisters in the other pair. Why is this happening?”
Just the full spectrum of human emotion over here about the situation with the shoes and about how long it took them to heal. And then of course I used all the band aids, and I was like, “Oh, having cuts of your feet is the worst because feet are one the floor, the floor is dirty.” It was a whole thing.
And don’t worry, my feet are healing. I got some little moleskin to stick on the shoes to kind of like cover up the part, it’s like stitching I think is what was bothering my feet. And also just the part where they were touching my feet are like very, very, soft and tender, whereas I have other parts on my feet that are less tender, right?
It’s kind of like if you were ever one of those kids who ran around barefoot all summer, the bottoms of your feet might be tender at the beginning of the summer but by the end of the summer they sort of have like toughened up a little. They’ve gotten used to you running around all over the place and stepping on warm surfaces and little rocks and things. Not saying that’s super fun, but my experience was the bottoms of my feet would toughen up with time.
And I also, as many of you know, I country dance. I haven’t actually been since I’ve moved to Sacramento. But for years and years and years I would country dance all the time. There was a while where I was going like five nights a week, and there was a while where it was more like once a week.
But I would go dancing a lot and in doing that I built up calluses on my feet. And so that was like a learning process too, of figuring out how much I could dance without getting blisters, right? And then building up the calluses and my feet kind of getting used to dancing that much. Some of that was also getting the proper footwear, of course.
But the places that these sandals were rubbing on my feet were not a place I had a convenient dancing callus to protect my foot from the little stitching that was bothering it.
Okay, so all of this got me thinking and I wanted to talk to y’all about a concept that I have come up with called emotional calluses. Which, listen, I know in real life a callus isn’t always a good thing. From my experience with dancing, having a callus can be really helpful.
And I’ve also seen a lot of people who do a lot of work with their hands. They may have a lot of calluses on their hands that sort of protect their hands and make their hands tough and they can do more stuff with them because their hands aren’t soft and tender.
But I do want to say, obviously I’m not a medical professional. And I did a quick Google search and Google does indicate that a callus isn’t always a good thing. So if you have a literal callus, obviously that’s not what we’re talking about here. But what I want to talk about is how sometimes this also be true in an emotional way.
So if you think about the example of my feet with the shoes, it’s like sometimes if you want to try a new experience and you try the new experience and you go really hard at it or go for a really long time and some part of you is not used to that. It's not used to that effort, or you haven't made sure that that effort fits properly. Or maybe there's some weird stitching on the effort that you're doing, it may rub you the wrong way.
And if you have a tender spot or a spot that's soft, it may cause a blister, right, like what I'm going to call an emotional blister. So this is all sort of just conceptual. So let's take a real example from my own life and career.
Okay, so I am in my first round of Satisfied As Fuck and I'm just absolutely insanely over the moon for it. I think it's like the most amazing thing I've ever done. I love all my clients. I love what I'm teaching. I love what we're talking about. I love the way that they're engaging in the Slack. I just love the whole thing. It's like fully like ass over teakettle in love, right? Over the moon.
So as you might imagine, that feels really good. It's like super fun. I'm like, this is delicious. And at the same time, this is the very first time I've run this group, I designed it to be a certain kind of experience. But I also want to hear from my clients to find out is their experience of it what I designed? And do they like it, right? And what do they like and what do they not like?
And part of that's because like, again, it's the first time I've ever run it. We're about, I don't know, maybe a third of the way in and I want to make sure that I'm learning from their experience so I can implement things while we still have time to be together in this round.
And also, I have just started selling the next cohort of Satisfied As Fuck, consults are open for that. And if you want to come get one, I invite you to because that round is going to be fucking amazing. So basically, I'm getting feedback from this current round so I can learn for that round and think about how I want to design that round, what I want to keep, what I want to change, what I want to add, right?
So from my brain, though, I was in this place of being like, I'm in love with this group, it's the best thing ever. Just like that full honeymoon love. Like just so big, so much love. And I asked them all like, “Okay, here's this feedback form, will you fill it out?” And my clients are incredible, so of course many of them did.
And I opened up the feedback form and I read the feedback and it was just like that Brené Brown TED Talk where she talks about like you get 38 pieces of amazing feedback and then they're like, here's one thing you could work on. And then all day long all you can do is think about that one thing and your brain ignores all the shit that was going well.
And, y'all, I'm an expert in this. I fucking talk about this all the time. This is like what we talked about. Like we have a negativity bias, the brain is going to give so much more attention to what's not working, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I know that shit in and out. And of course, it still happened to me.
I read the feedback, it was like, oh, this is amazing. I'm so glad I did it, blah, blah, blah. Here's one thing though... Like here's one thing that confused me, or here's one thing I didn't like, or here's one thing you can do better. And I absolutely lost my shit, like in sadness and grief.
And for any of you Satisfied As Fuck clients listening to this, don't weaponize this against yourself. You all were so kind, and wonderful, and detailed, and specific. And your feedback was extremely good and extremely useful. So I'm not sharing here to say that any of you did anything wrong, because you didn't. It was great.
And I am sharing here just to be like vocally transparent and like, look what happened. I hadn't emotionally and mentally prepared myself for the feedback. And I was so in love with the program that even though I knew like, okay, this is the first time of ever doing it, of course there's some stuff that's not going to be going perfectly.
Also humans all have different opinions, so someone isn't going to like something no matter what I do, right? No matter what I choose, no matter how hard I work to make this program insanely amazing, there will always be some people who have an opinion that it could be better. And a lot of times the different people's opinions may conflict with each other, right?
They may be like, I want this. And someone else is like, I want this other thing that's like directly in opposition to that. So it's not like there's going to be one way I could design it that would work for everybody, that's not even the point though.
The point is this is like where I didn't have an emotional callus and I was doing something new, and I put it on my baby soft skin. Except for in this case instead of being the baby soft skin of my feet, it's the baby soft skin of my heart. It's the baby soft skin of the intense and apparently extremely tender love that I have for this program that I created, right?
And I got an ouch, right? I got a little ouch. I remember I was telling my girlfriend Alex about it, and I just like burst into her office probably and was like, “I got all this amazing feedback, but they said this one thing.” And I just like cried. I just cried, and cried, and cried. I cried to Alex, I called another one my friends and cried. I just like burst into tears a lot for about, I don't know, 24 to 72 hours.
And in that time I had the realization like, oh, I didn't prepare myself for this. I thought I could just like do this and it would be fine. And maybe there's a different day of the year, or week of the year, or time in my business when that might have been the case, right?
Like there are other sandals I bought where I just fucking started wearing them and it was fine, and I didn't get any blisters or calluses. Maybe there was a time when that could have been true. But this time it wasn't true, and that's okay.
This time it wasn't true, and I got an ouch. And now I'm going to tend to that ouch and I'm going to learn what I can from the ouch. And me being me, I'm going to go fucking record an entire podcast about it because I think this is so useful for all of y'all too.
And I'm sure that this is happening all over your lives and careers. And if you don't have the language for it, it might just feel terrible and either like you can't handle difficult things or like, I don't know if you ever get like the messaging that you're being a baby. Like I was told a lot when I was younger that me having feelings meant I was being a baby.
So that might be something my brain would offer is like, oh, I'm just being a baby. I'm not just being a baby, I'm being a fucking human with like the full spectrum of emotion and I'm learning. And so are you, so I don't want you to confuse what's happening inside your feelings in your mind for you just being a baby, or you just being dramatic, or you just being too much.
No, there's something very specific and interesting happening here. And when we unpack it and understand what it is, then we can have a different relationship with it. Right? So my experience here taught me so many things. And it's going to help me run my business for the rest of however long I run my business.
And it's going to help me in all my other relationships and all my other endeavors as well because I have this understanding of like, oh, a lot of times I'm actually really good at just like doing shit. Just like I just do shit. I just like, what's that phrase? I like fly by the seat of my pants. That's what works for me a lot.
And that's like an incredible thing to have. It's an incredible skill. And also, sometimes I get an ouch. So I can learn from the ouch. I can care for the ouch. I can change the way I do things in the future to prevent myself from getting that ouch.
Because even though it's fine to have an ouch and take care of it and I can do the mental/emotional equivalent of putting hydrogen peroxide on it and band aids and like babying it, it's also nice to be able to prevent that, sometimes. We're not ever going to prevent it all the time, but sometimes.
Okay, so here's the other interesting thing that happened, with my actual feet my blisters are still healing because that didn't happen that long ago. I don't know, like maybe a week. But my mental/emotional callus situation has like already radically shifted so much. Like when it first happened, again, like 24 to 72 hours I was just like weeping and I was having all these big feelings come up.
It was actually really interesting because my hypothesis had always been that if we think really highly of ourselves and something we're working on and then we get feedback that it's not perfect that we'll feel disappointed. That was like sort of what I always thought was the case, and I've coached with that assumption, right, that understanding of things.
What I actually learned from my experience going through this was, I mean like there might have been some disappointment in there, sure. But what I actually felt was humiliated. And I thought that was so fascinating. I thought this program was the best. I was, like I said before, just like over the moon in love with it. And I still am over the moon in love with it, but now we're growing into a more mature, evolved over the moon love.
But I was so over the moon in love with it, it was like I almost didn't have space for the idea that stuff could be better. And when I got the feedback that stuff could be better, I felt humiliated. And I was like really thinking deeply about this. Like, wait, why do I feel humiliated?
As a coach and someone who's obsessed with coaching, and thought work, and feelings, and thoughts, and all that shit, I spend a lot of time noticing the feelings in my body and thinking about what they are and why they're there. So when this happened and I felt that like huge wash of humiliation, I was just like so, I mean first I was just weeping and getting comfort from my friends and my girlfriend.
But then I was like so curious and fascinated. I was like, what is this? Why is this here? And how many of my clients are experiencing this? And how many of my clients aren't going after the things they want to go after because they're afraid of experiencing this? And if you are afraid of experiencing it, I get it because that shit was not fucking fun. It was pretty miserable.
And also, on the other hand, it was absolutely tolerable. And I would much rather live a life where I feel that feeling sometimes and I get to create the programs I want to create for you. And I get to have the impact I want to have on the world. And I get to pursue the big goals that I have.
Now, that being said, when I was in the moment with the humiliation, like I said, pretty miserable. Not my favorite. And I want to dig into, I know we're like going off from the calluses thing, but I want to dig into a little bit why I think the humiliation was there. And I think the humiliation ties into this idea of like if I love myself, if I love something I've done, then I'm like self-involved or I'm like arrogant.
And the phrase that always comes up for me is I'm too big for my britches. And I've encountered this phrase so many times in my journey of building my business. Like every time I raise my prices my brain is like, “Oh, she’s too big for her britches now,” right? Like this is so common,
Which is so funny because britches is not a word that's in my normal vernacular at all, but it comes up again and again. I think I probably learned it from media, right? I remember watching a movie where someone was told she was too big for her britches, and she was like haughty about it.
And then later in the movie she calls the person back, and she's also gone through something rough and painful. I have no idea what it is because I don't remember the movie. I just like viscerally remember watching this one scene where she then has to go back and be like, oh, yeah, I wish I hadn't been like that, basically.
Anyways, so I think the humiliation for me was about this like, oh I'm wrong. I was wrong to love my thing this much and everyone else knows it. Right? Because I got the feedback from someone else and I'm like, oh, I thought it was amazing but everyone else can see like the “truth,” which is that it's imperfect. Which is also hilarious, since I'm basically the queen of like let's do imperfect, wonderful things because things are all imperfect.
It's so interesting when we're in situations like this, it really highlights the difference between what we choose to believe and what we choose to pursue and who we choose to be and what we choose to do in the world, and that underlying programming that's still in there and still running.
Consciously I believe that imperfect effort is extremely beautiful and what makes the world go round. But on some very deep, subconscious level there is still a part of me that believes that if I put something out there, and I like it, and especially if I love it deeply, it should be perfect. And that's just really interesting to know because as long as that belief is in there, this kind of thing is going to be painful.
And coaching is a life's work, so it may be in there for a long time. And I'm willing for that to be the case and I'm willing to keep showing up for my insane big goals, and working on stuff, and working on programs, and coaching y'all, and coaching myself, and getting coached. Because, again, with my conscious, intentional mind with what I choose to believe and do and be and feel, imperfect effort is everything because it's the only thing we ever have access to.
Okay, so that's just a little aside about the humiliation. And I think part of how I bounced back from that was just like letting it be there and just letting myself feel all those big, intense, raw feelings, and loving myself through it, as we're always talking about here.
And then part of how I allowed myself to get through it was just kind of like getting used to it. Like just getting used to the idea of like, oh yeah, people are going to have opinions, that's cool. If I really think about it, like no, this version of it's probably not perfect. It doesn't have to be perfect for me to be over the moon for it. It can be imperfect, and I can be over the moon for it.
I'm actually just going to pause there because I feel like that alone, if you just only took in that one concept, it can be imperfect and I can be over the moon for it, that alone could change your life, right? Because so often so many of us are waiting for things to be perfect to celebrate and love them. And since they never will be perfect, we're just waiting.
We just spend our whole lives waiting. We spend our whole lives putting off satisfaction for this future that's never fucking coming, right? So you can be over the moon for things that are imperfect, even when you know they're imperfect. You can still be ass over tea kettle for them, as that phrase is that I like to say.
I don't know where I learned that, I don't even know if it's a real phrase. I just think it's super fun. I don't even understand what it means, except for like wildly into something and I'm wildly into it. So that's that.
Basically, just like when we get a callus on our actual feet, like a useful callus in this metaphor, I got used to the feedback, right? At first it did give me a little ouch, I got the little blister. I had to like take some time, I had to recover. I had to heal that wound, right? I had to like take care of it.
But then it's like if I engage with the feedback a little bit, a little bit, a little bit. And if I engage with the feedback in this intentional way of like this is for me, it's not against me, and I'm building something by being able to be in relationship with this information, then the information was able to be something I can interact with without it hurting me, right?
So in the metaphor this would be like wearing the shoes a little bit, wearing the shoes a little bit, wearing the shoes a little bit. And maybe the shoes break in a little, But also that your foot maybe builds just like a little bit of toughness up so that it can be with, it can tolerate what's happening in a way where it's not going to get hurt by it. And when we do that, then we can engage with it more deeply, right?
So again, with my feet when I used to dance, my feet had to build up both strength, like muscular strength. But also I did build certain calluses where it used to like be mindful of how long I was dancing because I was like, ooh, that's beginning to hurt. But then after years and years I could dance way longer, I could dance harder. It wasn't going to hurt me anymore because I had something that my own body built there to protect me from it.
And I think the same can be true emotionally. I think it can be also true mentally, but I call this emotional calluses because for me this was very much a process of emotion. And yeah, the emotion we feel comes from the way we think about things, but I don't know, for me it's about emotion.
So it's both about getting used to my own big emotion and being able to tolerate that and being able to be in relationship with that. And being able to be in relationship with the things that show up in our life that we have big emotion about.
And here's something that's really cool, as I got used to the feedback, then I was also able to use it. I was able to sit with it. I was able to ponder it. I'm able to make, I'm like already implementing changes in the cohort that already exists as Satisfied As Fuck. Some of the stuff they said I was like, oh yeah, we're going to do that immediately, that's fucking brilliant.
Now, when I was in the headspace of feeling very tender, I couldn't even implement it right away because I had to take time to recover, right? Before I could be like, “Oh yeah, this is great. Let me do that.” Because sometimes when we're in that something, we just got the ouch, if we try to react right away, it doesn't always help, right? Or we're doing it to try to like manipulate the situation, and that's not always useful. Right?
So I needed to sit with my own feelings, process them, build up that emotional tolerance to the information that I was getting. And let myself feel the humiliation and love myself, and then let myself realize like, oh, this actually doesn't have to be humiliating. That was an emotional reaction and it's okay. And it's not like the end all, be all truth of what this feedback means.
And then after that, I was able to take all the beneficial information from the feedback and do stuff with it. And if you've been listening to the podcast for a long time, you probably know that I have a whole podcast episode about how critical feedback is or can be the blueprint to where you want to go.
Like when people give us critical feedback it's not always fun and sometimes it can sting. But if we believe it's good feedback and we're mindful about it, we can use it to like lay down, brick by brick, the path to where we're trying to get to. And of course, that was also true for this feedback.
But what I don't know that I understood when I recorded that other podcast is the emotional journey we sometimes have to go on. I think I briefly mentioned it in that podcast, but since I just had this experience very deeply I wanted to share it with y'all so you could kind of get that inside view of what that's like and how to actually walk yourself through that.
And here's the other bonus, all the feedback I get for the rest of my career in this career, in this business, and if I did anything else, and like even if I get like feedback from Alex, if I get feedback from my friends, this emotional callus that I've built around this is going to serve in all of that. And it doesn't mean I won't still be tender, right? I will still absolutely be a tender person. That's part of who I am is, I have really big feelings. I feel really deeply and that's still going to be there. But this memory of like, oh, right, I can be with myself through this, and I can handle it.
And even the more I engage with that thing, it doesn't hurt me more, it actually hurts me less because I learn how to handle it. That, I'm always going to have, and I can take that with me through everything from here on out. Everything in my business, everything in every area of my life. This is just something that goes with me now as a piece of knowledge.
And it's going to benefit my clients too, because I know that y'all have stuff like this as well. And if we don't have this knowledge and understanding to purposefully turn things into this sort of emotional callus, sometimes I do think the other thing happens where it becomes a bruise. And then every time something touches it, it just hurts again, it hurts again, it hurts again, it hurts worse. And it drives us away from the lives we want to have because we get so caught up in like trying to get away from the pain.
Now, I think it's also important that we take a moment to talk about having a callus doesn't mean you don't feel anything, right? I Googled emotional calluses before recording this and there was this idea of like hardening your heart or like being numb to things. I'm not talking about numbness.
I'm not talking about like checking out. I'm not talking about like unhooking from your own emotional experience. I'm just talking about sort of like building a tolerance to it to be able to handle it when that's useful, right?
And, of course, people can go too far with this, right? If you were to touch a hot pot on the stove, you're probably just going to burn yourself. That's not what we're trying to do. We're not trying to do harm to ourselves. We're just trying to see that like, oh look, we can choose on purpose how we relate to things.
And sometimes we're real tender and that doesn't mean anything has gone wrong. And then we just need to care for the tender part. But then we can build something up in ourselves around like how we're going to handle that thing if we want to be able to handle it differently, and you don't have to be.
But for me, I want to be able to get feedback from my clients and use it. I want to be able to love the absolute fucking shit out of something the way I love the absolute fucking shit out of Satisfied As Fuck, and also still have room to hear about ways it could be better. And ways it's not working because again, it doesn't have to be perfect to be good. It's an incredible program, and it could be better. They're both true.
Okay, so what I want you to think about is, is there something in your life that this applies to? And I'm saying is there because maybe there's not, but I bet if you look for it, there is. And there may be stuff in your life that actually you've been avoiding doing for days, weeks, years of your life, because last time you did it you got an ouch and your brain is like, “Fuck that, I'm not going back there. I don't want to get another ouch.”
And so this is a really useful way to think about like if you want to be able to take risks, if you want to be able to go after big goals, if you want to be able to do things that are sort of scary, or if you want to be able to do things where you anticipate you may receive criticism or you may encounter rejection, being able to develop this skill of walking through that with yourself through the metaphor of an emotional callus or whatever other metaphor you want to use, this is an incredibly useful way to engage with that.
Just because you've done something before and gotten an emotional ouch about it doesn't mean you can't handle it. It doesn't mean you can't tolerate it. It doesn't mean you can't do it anymore. And it doesn't mean you can't do it in a way that works for you and feels really good and isn't as painful as it was, right?
Like I don't know if I'm going to be able to wear those sandals, I'm going to try. I put the moleskin on them. I'm going to try shorter walks. We're going to see what happens. Not everything in life we may choose to keep. Sometimes we may grow calluses and they may really work for us. And sometimes some stuff we may be like, nah, it's not a good fit.
But I want you to be able to have the capacity to engage with things and to make an intentional choice so that you can live a beautiful, intentional life and you can go after the shit you want to go after. Versus having to avoid it because you may have a painful feeling.
All right. That's what I have for y'all today. I love you so much. I will talk to you next week. And also, Satisfied As Fuck really is amazing and I still am over the moon for it. And if you want to come do the incredibly life changing work we're talking about every week on the podcast with a group of amazing people, come sign up for a consult.
Scoot on over to my website, get a consult, let's talk about it. If nothing else, the consult call alone will change your life. And the program is insanely good and imperfect, and I can't wait to see what it would create for you. All right, that's what I got. Have a lovely week. Bye bye.
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Hey y’all, happy Wednesday. I hope you’re having a glorious day today. The weather here in Sacramento has finally cooled down and I am just so incredibly, deeply grateful. Last night we took a walk, we like to take a walk kind of towards the end of the day with the dog. And in the summer we have to basically take it sort of as late as possible, before bed usually, for it to be cool enough to actually be enjoyable.
And even then sometimes it’s too hot to walk. Like we had that heatwave recently where it was still in the 90s and we were just like, yeah, we’re not going to do that. And so now the weather has cooled down and it’s just glorious. And it’s especially glorious just because of the shift, right? Which is, I think, so common.
If it always felt this way it would always feel this way and I would just be like, this is the weather. But because if was so hot this summer I was like so fucking jazzed for it to cool down. I was like, yes, and I’m just like really relishing it. And it’s still sunny and it’s beautiful, but it’s just like I put a sweater on today and I was like, “Yeah, sweaters, I’m pretty excited about that.” So, that’s what’s happening over here.
Also, as you all know, many of you all know, I lived in Seattle for a long time and in Seattle when it starts to cool down it also usually starts to rain. And so it is really fun and satisfying to live somewhere where it can cool down and still be sunny, I’m pretty into that. Rain is great too. Rain is obviously very important, but it’s nice just to have like a sunny fall.
Okay, so speaking of taking walks, I got some new shoes recently. I love to take long walks around the neighborhood, as you all know. And I got a new pair of sandals to wear when it was super-hot because the other pair that I have that are good for walking I’ve had for a few years. And since it does get so hot here is Sacramento I’ve put a lot of wear on them basically, right?
And so I got the new pair, it’s the same brand as the other pair, so I was like, cool, these are going to fit, they’re going to be great and it’s not going to be a problem. Well, I took a little short walk in them, and it was fine, it was great. And then I took a longer walk in them and guess what, it was not fine. It was not great.
And what happened was I could feel that a certain spot on my foot was getting a little irritated while I was on my walk, but I was like, “Well, I don’t know what I can do about that while I’m on the walk.” And it didn’t hurt that much, I was just sort of like, “Okay, this is annoying.” And I was on my way back already and so I got home, and I took the sandals off and my foot was bleeding, my poor little baby foot.
I was like, “Oh no.” it was bleeding, it had a blister, the blister had popped, it was kind of gross honestly, sorry, TMI. And then I took off the other sandal and that foot hadn’t really felt that bad on the walk, but it also had a blister. And I was like, “This is very rude, this is not what I wanted, I did not sign up for this. No thank you.”
But at that point I had them, right? So I had to deal with them basically. I had to clean them, I had to bandage them. And they’re like on the top of each of my big toes and so basically I had to like put band aids on them and then the band aids just do not want to stay on that part of my foot for some reason, they just like flew off.
And so I had to figure out still how to take my long walks in shoes that weren’t going to hurt them, it was like a whole ordeal. And honestly, I had a lot of feelings about it. I was kind of pissed, I was like, “These are supposed to be super comfortable shoes, the other pair was comfortable, I didn’t get blisters in the other pair. Why is this happening?”
Just the full spectrum of human emotion over here about the situation with the shoes and about how long it took them to heal. And then of course I used all the band aids, and I was like, “Oh, having cuts of your feet is the worst because feet are one the floor, the floor is dirty.” It was a whole thing.
And don’t worry, my feet are healing. I got some little moleskin to stick on the shoes to kind of like cover up the part, it’s like stitching I think is what was bothering my feet. And also just the part where they were touching my feet are like very, very, soft and tender, whereas I have other parts on my feet that are less tender, right?
It’s kind of like if you were ever one of those kids who ran around barefoot all summer, the bottoms of your feet might be tender at the beginning of the summer but by the end of the summer they sort of have like toughened up a little. They’ve gotten used to you running around all over the place and stepping on warm surfaces and little rocks and things. Not saying that’s super fun, but my experience was the bottoms of my feet would toughen up with time.
And I also, as many of you know, I country dance. I haven’t actually been since I’ve moved to Sacramento. But for years and years and years I would country dance all the time. There was a while where I was going like five nights a week, and there was a while where it was more like once a week.
But I would go dancing a lot and in doing that I built up calluses on my feet. And so that was like a learning process too, of figuring out how much I could dance without getting blisters, right? And then building up the calluses and my feet kind of getting used to dancing that much. Some of that was also getting the proper footwear, of course.
But the places that these sandals were rubbing on my feet were not a place I had a convenient dancing callus to protect my foot from the little stitching that was bothering it.
Okay, so all of this got me thinking and I wanted to talk to y’all about a concept that I have come up with called emotional calluses. Which, listen, I know in real life a callus isn’t always a good thing. From my experience with dancing, having a callus can be really helpful.
And I’ve also seen a lot of people who do a lot of work with their hands. They may have a lot of calluses on their hands that sort of protect their hands and make their hands tough and they can do more stuff with them because their hands aren’t soft and tender.
But I do want to say, obviously I’m not a medical professional. And I did a quick Google search and Google does indicate that a callus isn’t always a good thing. So if you have a literal callus, obviously that’s not what we’re talking about here. But what I want to talk about is how sometimes this also be true in an emotional way.
So if you think about the example of my feet with the shoes, it’s like sometimes if you want to try a new experience and you try the new experience and you go really hard at it or go for a really long time and some part of you is not used to that. It's not used to that effort, or you haven't made sure that that effort fits properly. Or maybe there's some weird stitching on the effort that you're doing, it may rub you the wrong way.
And if you have a tender spot or a spot that's soft, it may cause a blister, right, like what I'm going to call an emotional blister. So this is all sort of just conceptual. So let's take a real example from my own life and career.
Okay, so I am in my first round of Satisfied As Fuck and I'm just absolutely insanely over the moon for it. I think it's like the most amazing thing I've ever done. I love all my clients. I love what I'm teaching. I love what we're talking about. I love the way that they're engaging in the Slack. I just love the whole thing. It's like fully like ass over teakettle in love, right? Over the moon.
So as you might imagine, that feels really good. It's like super fun. I'm like, this is delicious. And at the same time, this is the very first time I've run this group, I designed it to be a certain kind of experience. But I also want to hear from my clients to find out is their experience of it what I designed? And do they like it, right? And what do they like and what do they not like?
And part of that's because like, again, it's the first time I've ever run it. We're about, I don't know, maybe a third of the way in and I want to make sure that I'm learning from their experience so I can implement things while we still have time to be together in this round.
And also, I have just started selling the next cohort of Satisfied As Fuck, consults are open for that. And if you want to come get one, I invite you to because that round is going to be fucking amazing. So basically, I'm getting feedback from this current round so I can learn for that round and think about how I want to design that round, what I want to keep, what I want to change, what I want to add, right?
So from my brain, though, I was in this place of being like, I'm in love with this group, it's the best thing ever. Just like that full honeymoon love. Like just so big, so much love. And I asked them all like, “Okay, here's this feedback form, will you fill it out?” And my clients are incredible, so of course many of them did.
And I opened up the feedback form and I read the feedback and it was just like that Brené Brown TED Talk where she talks about like you get 38 pieces of amazing feedback and then they're like, here's one thing you could work on. And then all day long all you can do is think about that one thing and your brain ignores all the shit that was going well.
And, y'all, I'm an expert in this. I fucking talk about this all the time. This is like what we talked about. Like we have a negativity bias, the brain is going to give so much more attention to what's not working, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I know that shit in and out. And of course, it still happened to me.
I read the feedback, it was like, oh, this is amazing. I'm so glad I did it, blah, blah, blah. Here's one thing though... Like here's one thing that confused me, or here's one thing I didn't like, or here's one thing you can do better. And I absolutely lost my shit, like in sadness and grief.
And for any of you Satisfied As Fuck clients listening to this, don't weaponize this against yourself. You all were so kind, and wonderful, and detailed, and specific. And your feedback was extremely good and extremely useful. So I'm not sharing here to say that any of you did anything wrong, because you didn't. It was great.
And I am sharing here just to be like vocally transparent and like, look what happened. I hadn't emotionally and mentally prepared myself for the feedback. And I was so in love with the program that even though I knew like, okay, this is the first time of ever doing it, of course there's some stuff that's not going to be going perfectly.
Also humans all have different opinions, so someone isn't going to like something no matter what I do, right? No matter what I choose, no matter how hard I work to make this program insanely amazing, there will always be some people who have an opinion that it could be better. And a lot of times the different people's opinions may conflict with each other, right?
They may be like, I want this. And someone else is like, I want this other thing that's like directly in opposition to that. So it's not like there's going to be one way I could design it that would work for everybody, that's not even the point though.
The point is this is like where I didn't have an emotional callus and I was doing something new, and I put it on my baby soft skin. Except for in this case instead of being the baby soft skin of my feet, it's the baby soft skin of my heart. It's the baby soft skin of the intense and apparently extremely tender love that I have for this program that I created, right?
And I got an ouch, right? I got a little ouch. I remember I was telling my girlfriend Alex about it, and I just like burst into her office probably and was like, “I got all this amazing feedback, but they said this one thing.” And I just like cried. I just cried, and cried, and cried. I cried to Alex, I called another one my friends and cried. I just like burst into tears a lot for about, I don't know, 24 to 72 hours.
And in that time I had the realization like, oh, I didn't prepare myself for this. I thought I could just like do this and it would be fine. And maybe there's a different day of the year, or week of the year, or time in my business when that might have been the case, right?
Like there are other sandals I bought where I just fucking started wearing them and it was fine, and I didn't get any blisters or calluses. Maybe there was a time when that could have been true. But this time it wasn't true, and that's okay.
This time it wasn't true, and I got an ouch. And now I'm going to tend to that ouch and I'm going to learn what I can from the ouch. And me being me, I'm going to go fucking record an entire podcast about it because I think this is so useful for all of y'all too.
And I'm sure that this is happening all over your lives and careers. And if you don't have the language for it, it might just feel terrible and either like you can't handle difficult things or like, I don't know if you ever get like the messaging that you're being a baby. Like I was told a lot when I was younger that me having feelings meant I was being a baby.
So that might be something my brain would offer is like, oh, I'm just being a baby. I'm not just being a baby, I'm being a fucking human with like the full spectrum of emotion and I'm learning. And so are you, so I don't want you to confuse what's happening inside your feelings in your mind for you just being a baby, or you just being dramatic, or you just being too much.
No, there's something very specific and interesting happening here. And when we unpack it and understand what it is, then we can have a different relationship with it. Right? So my experience here taught me so many things. And it's going to help me run my business for the rest of however long I run my business.
And it's going to help me in all my other relationships and all my other endeavors as well because I have this understanding of like, oh, a lot of times I'm actually really good at just like doing shit. Just like I just do shit. I just like, what's that phrase? I like fly by the seat of my pants. That's what works for me a lot.
And that's like an incredible thing to have. It's an incredible skill. And also, sometimes I get an ouch. So I can learn from the ouch. I can care for the ouch. I can change the way I do things in the future to prevent myself from getting that ouch.
Because even though it's fine to have an ouch and take care of it and I can do the mental/emotional equivalent of putting hydrogen peroxide on it and band aids and like babying it, it's also nice to be able to prevent that, sometimes. We're not ever going to prevent it all the time, but sometimes.
Okay, so here's the other interesting thing that happened, with my actual feet my blisters are still healing because that didn't happen that long ago. I don't know, like maybe a week. But my mental/emotional callus situation has like already radically shifted so much. Like when it first happened, again, like 24 to 72 hours I was just like weeping and I was having all these big feelings come up.
It was actually really interesting because my hypothesis had always been that if we think really highly of ourselves and something we're working on and then we get feedback that it's not perfect that we'll feel disappointed. That was like sort of what I always thought was the case, and I've coached with that assumption, right, that understanding of things.
What I actually learned from my experience going through this was, I mean like there might have been some disappointment in there, sure. But what I actually felt was humiliated. And I thought that was so fascinating. I thought this program was the best. I was, like I said before, just like over the moon in love with it. And I still am over the moon in love with it, but now we're growing into a more mature, evolved over the moon love.
But I was so over the moon in love with it, it was like I almost didn't have space for the idea that stuff could be better. And when I got the feedback that stuff could be better, I felt humiliated. And I was like really thinking deeply about this. Like, wait, why do I feel humiliated?
As a coach and someone who's obsessed with coaching, and thought work, and feelings, and thoughts, and all that shit, I spend a lot of time noticing the feelings in my body and thinking about what they are and why they're there. So when this happened and I felt that like huge wash of humiliation, I was just like so, I mean first I was just weeping and getting comfort from my friends and my girlfriend.
But then I was like so curious and fascinated. I was like, what is this? Why is this here? And how many of my clients are experiencing this? And how many of my clients aren't going after the things they want to go after because they're afraid of experiencing this? And if you are afraid of experiencing it, I get it because that shit was not fucking fun. It was pretty miserable.
And also, on the other hand, it was absolutely tolerable. And I would much rather live a life where I feel that feeling sometimes and I get to create the programs I want to create for you. And I get to have the impact I want to have on the world. And I get to pursue the big goals that I have.
Now, that being said, when I was in the moment with the humiliation, like I said, pretty miserable. Not my favorite. And I want to dig into, I know we're like going off from the calluses thing, but I want to dig into a little bit why I think the humiliation was there. And I think the humiliation ties into this idea of like if I love myself, if I love something I've done, then I'm like self-involved or I'm like arrogant.
And the phrase that always comes up for me is I'm too big for my britches. And I've encountered this phrase so many times in my journey of building my business. Like every time I raise my prices my brain is like, “Oh, she’s too big for her britches now,” right? Like this is so common,
Which is so funny because britches is not a word that's in my normal vernacular at all, but it comes up again and again. I think I probably learned it from media, right? I remember watching a movie where someone was told she was too big for her britches, and she was like haughty about it.
And then later in the movie she calls the person back, and she's also gone through something rough and painful. I have no idea what it is because I don't remember the movie. I just like viscerally remember watching this one scene where she then has to go back and be like, oh, yeah, I wish I hadn't been like that, basically.
Anyways, so I think the humiliation for me was about this like, oh I'm wrong. I was wrong to love my thing this much and everyone else knows it. Right? Because I got the feedback from someone else and I'm like, oh, I thought it was amazing but everyone else can see like the “truth,” which is that it's imperfect. Which is also hilarious, since I'm basically the queen of like let's do imperfect, wonderful things because things are all imperfect.
It's so interesting when we're in situations like this, it really highlights the difference between what we choose to believe and what we choose to pursue and who we choose to be and what we choose to do in the world, and that underlying programming that's still in there and still running.
Consciously I believe that imperfect effort is extremely beautiful and what makes the world go round. But on some very deep, subconscious level there is still a part of me that believes that if I put something out there, and I like it, and especially if I love it deeply, it should be perfect. And that's just really interesting to know because as long as that belief is in there, this kind of thing is going to be painful.
And coaching is a life's work, so it may be in there for a long time. And I'm willing for that to be the case and I'm willing to keep showing up for my insane big goals, and working on stuff, and working on programs, and coaching y'all, and coaching myself, and getting coached. Because, again, with my conscious, intentional mind with what I choose to believe and do and be and feel, imperfect effort is everything because it's the only thing we ever have access to.
Okay, so that's just a little aside about the humiliation. And I think part of how I bounced back from that was just like letting it be there and just letting myself feel all those big, intense, raw feelings, and loving myself through it, as we're always talking about here.
And then part of how I allowed myself to get through it was just kind of like getting used to it. Like just getting used to the idea of like, oh yeah, people are going to have opinions, that's cool. If I really think about it, like no, this version of it's probably not perfect. It doesn't have to be perfect for me to be over the moon for it. It can be imperfect, and I can be over the moon for it.
I'm actually just going to pause there because I feel like that alone, if you just only took in that one concept, it can be imperfect and I can be over the moon for it, that alone could change your life, right? Because so often so many of us are waiting for things to be perfect to celebrate and love them. And since they never will be perfect, we're just waiting.
We just spend our whole lives waiting. We spend our whole lives putting off satisfaction for this future that's never fucking coming, right? So you can be over the moon for things that are imperfect, even when you know they're imperfect. You can still be ass over tea kettle for them, as that phrase is that I like to say.
I don't know where I learned that, I don't even know if it's a real phrase. I just think it's super fun. I don't even understand what it means, except for like wildly into something and I'm wildly into it. So that's that.
Basically, just like when we get a callus on our actual feet, like a useful callus in this metaphor, I got used to the feedback, right? At first it did give me a little ouch, I got the little blister. I had to like take some time, I had to recover. I had to heal that wound, right? I had to like take care of it.
But then it's like if I engage with the feedback a little bit, a little bit, a little bit. And if I engage with the feedback in this intentional way of like this is for me, it's not against me, and I'm building something by being able to be in relationship with this information, then the information was able to be something I can interact with without it hurting me, right?
So in the metaphor this would be like wearing the shoes a little bit, wearing the shoes a little bit, wearing the shoes a little bit. And maybe the shoes break in a little, But also that your foot maybe builds just like a little bit of toughness up so that it can be with, it can tolerate what's happening in a way where it's not going to get hurt by it. And when we do that, then we can engage with it more deeply, right?
So again, with my feet when I used to dance, my feet had to build up both strength, like muscular strength. But also I did build certain calluses where it used to like be mindful of how long I was dancing because I was like, ooh, that's beginning to hurt. But then after years and years I could dance way longer, I could dance harder. It wasn't going to hurt me anymore because I had something that my own body built there to protect me from it.
And I think the same can be true emotionally. I think it can be also true mentally, but I call this emotional calluses because for me this was very much a process of emotion. And yeah, the emotion we feel comes from the way we think about things, but I don't know, for me it's about emotion.
So it's both about getting used to my own big emotion and being able to tolerate that and being able to be in relationship with that. And being able to be in relationship with the things that show up in our life that we have big emotion about.
And here's something that's really cool, as I got used to the feedback, then I was also able to use it. I was able to sit with it. I was able to ponder it. I'm able to make, I'm like already implementing changes in the cohort that already exists as Satisfied As Fuck. Some of the stuff they said I was like, oh yeah, we're going to do that immediately, that's fucking brilliant.
Now, when I was in the headspace of feeling very tender, I couldn't even implement it right away because I had to take time to recover, right? Before I could be like, “Oh yeah, this is great. Let me do that.” Because sometimes when we're in that something, we just got the ouch, if we try to react right away, it doesn't always help, right? Or we're doing it to try to like manipulate the situation, and that's not always useful. Right?
So I needed to sit with my own feelings, process them, build up that emotional tolerance to the information that I was getting. And let myself feel the humiliation and love myself, and then let myself realize like, oh, this actually doesn't have to be humiliating. That was an emotional reaction and it's okay. And it's not like the end all, be all truth of what this feedback means.
And then after that, I was able to take all the beneficial information from the feedback and do stuff with it. And if you've been listening to the podcast for a long time, you probably know that I have a whole podcast episode about how critical feedback is or can be the blueprint to where you want to go.
Like when people give us critical feedback it's not always fun and sometimes it can sting. But if we believe it's good feedback and we're mindful about it, we can use it to like lay down, brick by brick, the path to where we're trying to get to. And of course, that was also true for this feedback.
But what I don't know that I understood when I recorded that other podcast is the emotional journey we sometimes have to go on. I think I briefly mentioned it in that podcast, but since I just had this experience very deeply I wanted to share it with y'all so you could kind of get that inside view of what that's like and how to actually walk yourself through that.
And here's the other bonus, all the feedback I get for the rest of my career in this career, in this business, and if I did anything else, and like even if I get like feedback from Alex, if I get feedback from my friends, this emotional callus that I've built around this is going to serve in all of that. And it doesn't mean I won't still be tender, right? I will still absolutely be a tender person. That's part of who I am is, I have really big feelings. I feel really deeply and that's still going to be there. But this memory of like, oh, right, I can be with myself through this, and I can handle it.
And even the more I engage with that thing, it doesn't hurt me more, it actually hurts me less because I learn how to handle it. That, I'm always going to have, and I can take that with me through everything from here on out. Everything in my business, everything in every area of my life. This is just something that goes with me now as a piece of knowledge.
And it's going to benefit my clients too, because I know that y'all have stuff like this as well. And if we don't have this knowledge and understanding to purposefully turn things into this sort of emotional callus, sometimes I do think the other thing happens where it becomes a bruise. And then every time something touches it, it just hurts again, it hurts again, it hurts again, it hurts worse. And it drives us away from the lives we want to have because we get so caught up in like trying to get away from the pain.
Now, I think it's also important that we take a moment to talk about having a callus doesn't mean you don't feel anything, right? I Googled emotional calluses before recording this and there was this idea of like hardening your heart or like being numb to things. I'm not talking about numbness.
I'm not talking about like checking out. I'm not talking about like unhooking from your own emotional experience. I'm just talking about sort of like building a tolerance to it to be able to handle it when that's useful, right?
And, of course, people can go too far with this, right? If you were to touch a hot pot on the stove, you're probably just going to burn yourself. That's not what we're trying to do. We're not trying to do harm to ourselves. We're just trying to see that like, oh look, we can choose on purpose how we relate to things.
And sometimes we're real tender and that doesn't mean anything has gone wrong. And then we just need to care for the tender part. But then we can build something up in ourselves around like how we're going to handle that thing if we want to be able to handle it differently, and you don't have to be.
But for me, I want to be able to get feedback from my clients and use it. I want to be able to love the absolute fucking shit out of something the way I love the absolute fucking shit out of Satisfied As Fuck, and also still have room to hear about ways it could be better. And ways it's not working because again, it doesn't have to be perfect to be good. It's an incredible program, and it could be better. They're both true.
Okay, so what I want you to think about is, is there something in your life that this applies to? And I'm saying is there because maybe there's not, but I bet if you look for it, there is. And there may be stuff in your life that actually you've been avoiding doing for days, weeks, years of your life, because last time you did it you got an ouch and your brain is like, “Fuck that, I'm not going back there. I don't want to get another ouch.”
And so this is a really useful way to think about like if you want to be able to take risks, if you want to be able to go after big goals, if you want to be able to do things that are sort of scary, or if you want to be able to do things where you anticipate you may receive criticism or you may encounter rejection, being able to develop this skill of walking through that with yourself through the metaphor of an emotional callus or whatever other metaphor you want to use, this is an incredibly useful way to engage with that.
Just because you've done something before and gotten an emotional ouch about it doesn't mean you can't handle it. It doesn't mean you can't tolerate it. It doesn't mean you can't do it anymore. And it doesn't mean you can't do it in a way that works for you and feels really good and isn't as painful as it was, right?
Like I don't know if I'm going to be able to wear those sandals, I'm going to try. I put the moleskin on them. I'm going to try shorter walks. We're going to see what happens. Not everything in life we may choose to keep. Sometimes we may grow calluses and they may really work for us. And sometimes some stuff we may be like, nah, it's not a good fit.
But I want you to be able to have the capacity to engage with things and to make an intentional choice so that you can live a beautiful, intentional life and you can go after the shit you want to go after. Versus having to avoid it because you may have a painful feeling.
All right. That's what I have for y'all today. I love you so much. I will talk to you next week. And also, Satisfied As Fuck really is amazing and I still am over the moon for it. And if you want to come do the incredibly life changing work we're talking about every week on the podcast with a group of amazing people, come sign up for a consult.
Scoot on over to my website, get a consult, let's talk about it. If nothing else, the consult call alone will change your life. And the program is insanely good and imperfect, and I can't wait to see what it would create for you. All right, that's what I got. Have a lovely week. Bye bye.
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